ohswitchfoot:

Jon: I play the song for Tim first to see if it sucks. (laughs) And, he’s brutally honest, he’ll tell you exactly what he thinks. He’ll say, ‘That’s really good, but there’s no space for it on the record.’ For Tim, the approach is this blend between poetry & math…Where he’s looking for something that is structurally perfect, that also moves you in a musical way.